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Abraham har sandsynligvis kunnet tale flere sprog. Det sprog der blev talt i Ur, og det sprog der blev talt i Kanaan.
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Kənáʿan) was a
Semitic-speaking region in the Ancient Near East.
Citat slut af ham der kalder sig for "sand kristen"?.
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".... a Semitic-speaking region"? det semitiske sprog? hvilken een af dem?
Ok, ftg så du mener at ud af disse muligheder:
vælg her:
In linguistics and ethnology, Semitic (from the Biblical "Shem", Hebrew: שם, translated as "name", Arabic: ساميّ) was first used to refer
to a language family of largely Middle Eastern origin, now called the Semitic languages.
This family includes the ancient and modern forms of
Ahlamu,
Akkadian (Assyrian-Babylonian),
Amharic,
Amorite,
Arabic,
Aramaic/Syriac,
Canaanite/Phoenician/Carthaginian,
Chaldean,
Eblaite,
Edomite,
Ge'ez,
Hebrew,
Maltese,
Mandaic,
Moabite,
Sutean,
Tigre and Tigrinya, and
Ugaritic, among others.
As language studies are interwoven with cultural studies, the term also came to describe the extended cultures and ethnicities, as well as the history of these varied peoples as associated by close geographic and linguistic distribution
citat slut.
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Ja, jøderne talte hebraisk og “blandt andre semitiske sprog ved vi, at det var sproget Moses bl.a. talte og det talte Hebræerne så også indbyrdes (må man formode).
Så man kan altså ikke bare sige, at ”han talte det semitiske”, fordi som jeg har forklaret dig, så er der mange, mange semitiske sprog alt efter hvor de, man befandt sig.
Jeg citere sebl:
De ældste skrifttegn på hebraisk er fra omkring år 900 fvt. Både Moses og Abraham er væsentligt tidligere.
Folk der ikke tror på de 430 år i Egypten antager sædvanligvis, at man i området talte en forløber for protohebraisk i området. Men jeg har aldrig før hørt om en person, der både tror på beretningen om Abraham, Josef og Moses, men som troede de talte hebraisk. Det giver ganske enkelt ingen mening.
Tager man Bibelen alvorligt, må hebraisk være opstået ved mødet mellem de "egyptiske" israelitter og de kananæere der beboede landet (de talte nemlig også et semitisk sprog).
For i Egypten talte de naturligvis egyptisk. Tænk blot på, hvor hurtigt tysk blev sproget i Flensborg...
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Hvad sprog talte Abram? Hvilket sprog talte Noah eller Adam eller Eva eller Seth?
http://biblicalanthropology.blogspot.dk/2011/06/what-language-did-abraham-speak.html
let the Bible answer that one. Genesis 11 must come somewhere, chronologically, close to the beginning of the genealogy in Genesis 10 because Genesis 10:4 speaks of
Noah's great-grandchildren already having their own languages.
So does Genesis 10:20 and Genesis 10:31. And Genesis 10:32 says that these genealogies show how that all of the people were divided amongst the earth into separate nations.
Genesis 10 tells us that the people were divided into languages, nations, scattered abroad, and divided.
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Sumerian is the language of ancient Sumer, which was spoken in southern Mesopotamia (modern Iraq) from at least the 4th millennium BCE.
*During the 3rd millennium BCE, a very intimate cultural symbiosis developed between the Sumerians and the Akkadians, which included widespread bilingualism.
The
influence of Sumerian on Akkadian (and vice versa) is evident in all areas, from lexical borrowing on a massive scale, to syntactic, morphological, and phonological convergence.
This has prompted scholars to refer to Sumerian and Akkadian in the third millennium as a Sprachbund (area of linguistic convergence).
Akkadian gradually replaced Sumerian as a spoken language around 2000 BCE (the exact dating being a matter of debate), but Sumerian continued to be used as a sacred, ceremonial, literary and scientific language in Mesopotamia until the 1st century AD.
Then, it was forgotten until the 19th century, when Assyriologists began deciphering the cuneiform inscriptions and excavated tablets left by these speakers. Sumerian is a language isolate.
Så, de forskellige sprog man talte I beretningernes demografiske orientering i beretningerne i Bibelen, vides med sikkerhed, at laaaang tid før Moses tid, 2000 år før Moses overhovedet blev født i Gohsens land i Ægypten,
Sumerian language is the earliest known written language. The "proto-literate" period of Sumerian writing spans c. 3500 to 3000 BCE. In this period, records are purely logographic, with no linguistic or phonological content.
The oldest document of the proto-literate period is the Kish tablet. Falkenstein (1936) lists 939 signs used in the proto-literate period (late Uruk, 34th to 31st centuries)
Der er ingen “kære mor”.
http://jwfacts.com/watchtower/salvation-only-for-jehovahs-witnesses.php
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For mennesker er det umuligt, men for Gud er alting muligt. Kære Gud, giv mig styrke.
Der var slet ingen mennesker i området da Noa og hans familie befandt sig inde i arken.
Med venlig hilsen, ftg.
http://www.sol.dk/debat/240-religion-a-livssyn/2735150-sems-sprog-er-abrahams-sprog/2735216
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Kunne det muligvis tænkes, bare sådan en lille smule, at mennesker i Jehovas Vidners sekt kunne besnæres til at bruge blot en brøkdel af deres tilgængelige hjerner, at bare tænke lidt over hvad de skriver?
Nu ovenstående fra ftg, er simpelt hen så tomt (jeg vælger ordet tomt og ikke dumt). Sig mig engang, hvad skal der til for at fordre jer?
http://www.sol.dk/debat/240-religion-a-livssyn/2734270-skal-man-kunne-oversaette-bibelen/2734999
Sumerian language is the earliest known written language. The "proto-literate" period of Sumerian writing spans c. 3500 to 3000 BCE. In this period, records are purely logographic, with no linguistic or phonological content.
The oldest document of the proto-literate period is the Kish tablet. Falkenstein (1936) lists 939 signs used in the proto-literate period (late Uruk, 34th to 31st centuries)
Millioner af daværende mennesker I hele området.
Sumerian civilization took form in the Uruk period (
4th millennium BC), continuing into the Jemdat Nasr and Early Dynastic periods.
The Sumerian
city of Eridu, on the coast of the Persian Gulf, was the world's first city, where three separate cultures fused -
that of peasant Ubaidian farmers, living in mud-brick huts and practicing
irrigation;
that of
mobile nomadic Semitic pastoralists living in black tents and following
herds of sheep and goats; and
that of
fisher folk, living in reed huts in the marshlands, who may have been the
ancestors of the Sumerians.
The surplus of storable food created by this economy allowed the population of this region to settle in one place, instead of migrating as hunter gatherers.
It also allowed for a much greater population density, and in turn required an extensive labour force and division of labour with many specialised arts and crafts.
Sumer was also the site of early development of writing, progressing from a stage of proto-writing in the mid 4th millennium BC to writing proper in the third millennium (see Jemdet Nasr period).
Vi ved ikke lige præcis hvor Noa levede og vi taler måske om et andet område end vi umiddelbart tror. Men det betyder ikke, at folk dengang talte deres eget sprog såvel som samtlige folk og nationer dengang gjorde.
folkene dengang iflg. nogen datering fra Bibelen og ellers ”lad tankerne flyve”;
muligheden for primitive ”lyde” sprog er tilstede, ligesom dyrene har hver deres ”sprog”.
2.500 år før Moses fødsel er laaaaang tid.
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