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On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 00:27:48 -0800 (PST), "Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess" wrote:
>We need to start out with a very short but useful description of God.
Ok.
God is the Supreme being. He is full of six opulences - that's called Bhagavan - the six opulences are - all beauty, all wealth, all strength, all knowledge all fame and all austerity.
The name of the Supreme Personality of Godhead is Krishna.The definition of Krishna is that He is the supreme Enjoyer and supreme Controller. His female expansion is His pleasure potency - Radahani.
God's main definition is that He is the eternal cause of all other causes.
When the jivas wish to enjoy separately from the Supreme personlity of Godhead, Radharani - ie. Krishna's female pleasure potency - distorts herself into Maya - the material world, so they can enjoy Her.
In reality Krishna is the only enjoyer. The job of the soul is to be enjoyed by Krishna, not to be the enjoyer of His female pleasure potency.
This knowledge is coming from the oldest, most advanced, most sophisticated, most complete, most detailed and scientific explanation of reality - it comes from the originl Vedic culture.
If you don't to listen to the ancients, who have always known the truth and the purpose of life, so be it. What can I do? All I can do is to offer you the original explanation of reality available on the planet passed down in a disciplic succession since time immemorial.
Ultimate it's a matter of authority. Either you surrnder to the Coca-cola culture and its propaganda machinety or you surrender to the sages - surrender you must. It's up to you - do you want to be a Mickey Mouse clone who merely goes with the flow, or do you enlighten yourself to the real purpose of life? As I said, iIt's up to you.
The Vaishnava religion is the only religion in the world that can tell you who God is, what He looks like, what His name is, where he lives, why and how He creatde the world, what and who is the soul. what is the soul's relation to the world and God and everything else. No other religion on the planet offers you thisc information.
The most ancient and consistent culture confirms it. It's not something you have to take my word for. It can be tested and verified scientifically.
Krishna says:
Now hear, O son of Prtha, how by practicing yoga in full consciousness of Me, with mind attached to Me, you can know Me in full, free from doubt. Bg 7.1)
>We also need a list of some of her main tangible capabilities
Krishna and His expansions like different Vishnu-forms manifest the 24 ingredients or elements of the materiel world - ie. Krishna's illusory energy. They are the five gross elements - earth, water, fire, air, and ether (space); the five knowledge aquiring senses - ear, skin, eyes, tongue, and nose; the five working senses - hands, legs, tongue, anus, and genital - that's fifteen - and the five elemental qualities, sound, feeling, seeing, tasting and smelling - that makes 20, then the 3 subtle or psychic senses - mind, intelligence, and false ego. and the last element of creation is the jiva or the soul. That's consciousness, the inner observer of the world.
Then add to that mix the three modes of material nature - goodness, passion, and ignorance, then you have the whole cosmic manofestation.
> so that
>"cause and effect" can be tested for a number of them, and repeatedly
>verified with full impartiality by way of the peer-review process to
>ensure consistency, repeatability, and reliability.
Nobody is holding you back. You can test and verify the Vedic Version scientifically.
>This may seem like a tall order, but you are making an incredible
>claim. So, let's start with:
Note how will keep on bitching and moaning about proof and evidence. But the last thing you want is proof of God. We came here originaly - you and me - to the material world to escape from the spiritual world. We wanted to enjoy and controll separately from Krishna.
In the spiritual world Krishna is the only enjoyer. Some souls rebelled against that and left for the material world. The funny thing is that to enjoy seperately from Krishna the jiva needs Krishna's help. You couldn't be in illusion and forget Krishna and think you were the enjoyer withour being put into illusion and forgetfulness by Krishna's energy.
Krishna is so friendly and liberal that He builds a distorted reflection of the spiritual world, in which the fallen souls can try and enjoy separate from Him.
Even a worm in stool thinks he is enjoying. He lives in shit - he eats shit - lives in hell, but he thiinks he is enjoying. That's how kind Krishna is. he lets the the soul rebel against Him and gives him a world where he can play God.
Krishna says:
Those who are devotees of other gods and who worship them with faith actually worship only Me, O son of Kunti, but they do so in a wrong way. (Bg. 9.23)
I am the only enjoyer and master of all sacrifices. Therefore, those who do not recognize My true transcendental nature fall down.
(Bg. 9.24)
>We need to start out with a very short but useful description of God.
Ok.
God is the Supreme being. He is full of six opulences - that's called Bhagavan - the six opulences are - all beauty, all wealth, all strength, all knowledge all fame and all austerity.
The name of the Supreme Personality of Godhead is Krishna.The definition of Krishna is that He is the supreme Enjoyer and supreme Controller. His female expansion is His pleasure potency - Radahani.
God's main definition is that He is the eternal cause of all other causes.
When the jivas wish to enjoy separately from the Supreme personlity of Godhead, Radharani - ie. Krishna's female pleasure potency - distorts herself into Maya - the material world, so they can enjoy Her.
In reality Krishna is the only enjoyer. The job of the soul is to be enjoyed by Krishna, not to be the enjoyer of His female pleasure potency.
This knowledge is coming from the oldest, most advanced, most sophisticated, most complete, most detailed and scientific explanation of reality - it comes from the originl Vedic culture.
If you don't to listen to the ancients, who have always known the truth and the purpose of life, so be it. What can I do? All I can do is to offer you the original explanation of reality available on the planet passed down in a disciplic succession since time immemorial.
Ultimate it's a matter of authority. Either you surrnder to the Coca-cola culture and its propaganda machinety or you surrender to the sages - surrender you must. It's up to you - do you want to be a Mickey Mouse clone who merely goes with the flow, or do you enlighten yourself to the real purpose of life? As I said, iIt's up to you.
The Vaishnava religion is the only religion in the world that can tell you who God is, what He looks like, what His name is, where he lives, why and how He creatde the world, what and who is the soul. what is the soul's relation to the world and God and everything else. No other religion on the planet offers you thisc information.
The most ancient and consistent culture confirms it. It's not something you have to take my word for. It can be tested and verified scientifically.
Krishna says:
Now hear, O son of Prtha, how by practicing yoga in full consciousness of Me, with mind attached to Me, you can know Me in full, free from doubt. Bg 7.1)
>We also need a list of some of her main tangible capabilities
Krishna and His expansions like different Vishnu-forms manifest the 24 ingredients or elements of the materiel world - ie. Krishna's illusory energy. They are the five gross elements - earth, water, fire, air, and ether (space); the five knowledge aquiring senses - ear, skin, eyes, tongue, and nose; the five working senses - hands, legs, tongue, anus, and genital - that's fifteen - and the five elemental qualities, sound, feeling, seeing, tasting and smelling - that makes 20, then the 3 subtle or psychic senses - mind, intelligence, and false ego. and the last element of creation is the jiva or the soul. That's consciousness, the inner observer of the world.
Then add to that mix the three modes of material nature - goodness, passion, and ignorance, then you have the whole cosmic manofestation.
> so that
>"cause and effect" can be tested for a number of them, and repeatedly
>verified with full impartiality by way of the peer-review process to
>ensure consistency, repeatability, and reliability.
Nobody is holding you back. You can test and verify the Vedic Version scientifically.
>This may seem like a tall order, but you are making an incredible
>claim. So, let's start with:
Note how will keep on bitching and moaning about proof and evidence. But the last thing you want is proof of God. We came here originaly - you and me - to the material world to escape from the spiritual world. We wanted to enjoy and controll separately from Krishna.
In the spiritual world Krishna is the only enjoyer. Some souls rebelled against that and left for the material world. The funny thing is that to enjoy seperately from Krishna the jiva needs Krishna's help. You couldn't be in illusion and forget Krishna and think you were the enjoyer withour being put into illusion and forgetfulness by Krishna's energy.
Krishna is so friendly and liberal that He builds a distorted reflection of the spiritual world, in which the fallen souls can try and enjoy separate from Him.
Even a worm in stool thinks he is enjoying. He lives in shit - he eats shit - lives in hell, but he thiinks he is enjoying. That's how kind Krishna is. he lets the the soul rebel against Him and gives him a world where he can play God.
Krishna says:
Those who are devotees of other gods and who worship them with faith actually worship only Me, O son of Kunti, but they do so in a wrong way. (Bg. 9.23)
I am the only enjoyer and master of all sacrifices. Therefore, those who do not recognize My true transcendental nature fall down.
(Bg. 9.24)