Sandheden om Healer; Hillsong United.
Kan Gud bruge et ufuldkomment menneske der åbenlyst er en synder, til at vidne om Sandheden Jesus? Bedøm selv:
Jeg tager mit udgangspunkt i dette indlæg hvor Lyjse citere AnonymJv(2) for at skrive følgende:
”Nu fandt jeg ud af hvordan ”de der Hillsong”, Skrevet af Anonym Jv (2) - Kl 16:34, 5.maj.2010 får betaling. Det er altid en god ide at undersøge dine links nærmere.
Citat af AnonymJv(2) slut. http://debat.sol.dk/show.fcgi?category=6&conference=217&posting=2020537#2020537
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Kommentar:
”Nu fandt jeg ud af hvordan ”de der Hillsong”, Skrevet af Anonym Jv (2) - Kl 16:34, 5.maj.2010 får betaling. Det er altid en god ide at undersøge dine links nærmere.
Citat af AnonymJv(2) slut.
”de der Hillsong”, får betaling? OK, hvordan får ”de der Hillsong” så betaling? Hm, hm, ja dette er stadig et åbent spørgsmål.
Nå, men jeg vil gerne kommentere den artikel som AnonymJv(2) henviser til: http://brianwurzell.wordpress.com/2008/08/20/hillsong-healerummmmmwhat/
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Den handler om Hr. Michael Guglielmucci, som er præst i denne Kirke; Australia’s biggest youth churches, ”Planetshakers”, may even have deceived his own family.
Ja, ved at bilde dem ind, at han var dødelig syg af kræft.
Guglielmucci, whose parents established Edge Church International, an Assemblies of God church at O’Halloran Hill in Adelaide’s southern suburbs, now is seeking professional help.
Han Michael Guglielmucci havde - August 21, 2008 12:57am – bildt tusinder ind, at han var kræftsyg og kæmpede med denne sygdom og til en sommer konference (2008);
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About a month ago I (BRIAN WURZELL :: BLOG ) started hearing word about this song called ‘Healer’ that was done at the ”Hillsong Conference in the Summer of 2008”.
eventually videos surfaced (and have now been removed) of a guy named Michael Guglielmucci and the one I saw was of him telling a story about how he wrote this song called Healer.
Many of us watched the video and were moved by the sincerity of his story and then you hear the song and it’s one of those WOAAAAHH this song is really powerful kind of songs. it’s one of those stories/songs that gets ya. you’ll have to check out the lyrics at some point.
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Reaktionen fra den ”Australiske Kristne Kirke” var at suspendere Hr. Michael Guglielmucci og vil sanktionere dette.
The Australian Christian Church said Mr Guglielmucci’s credentials immediately were suspended once he told the national executive that his cancer claims were “untrue”.
“The national executive is taking this matter very seriously and is awaiting the results of medical tests before determining the full extent of the discipline that will be imposed upon him,” vice president Alun Davies said.
“We are very concerned for the many people who have been or will be hurt by Michael’s actions.
“We encourage all of our churches to pray for all those affected.”
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Én af reaktionerne fra en Kristen som kender til sagen:
Jason // August 21, 2008 at 12:32 am
Its a shame. The song is great and the conference/album recording very moving. But I do feel shocked, sickened, sad, and angry……”but ultimatley forgivness…”
Can we turn the other cheek to our own?? We need to. Forgive, learn, and move on…. Pity for everyone the the media will have a field day with it.
Michael and the greater spiritual community needs prayer. God knows I’m praying!!!
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Ashley // October 7, 2009 at 10:17 am
I guess when he wrote the song he thought it would be more powerful if he actually needed it himself.
Dunno why he would think to lie though. They never go far.
That’s one of the first lessons we learn as christians, yet, ”there is not a righteous man on earth, who does what is right and never sins”.
What matters are the people the song HAS been real for.
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Ja, I kan selv læse de andre indsendte kommentarer på linket http://brianwurzell.wordpress.com/2008/08/20/hillsong-healerummmmmwhat/
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Her er sangen han skrev:
Verse:
You hold my every moment
You calm my raging seas
You walk with me through fire
And heal all my disease
Pre-Chorus:
I trust in You
I trust in You
Chorus:
I believe You're my Healer
I believe You are all I need
I believe You're my Portion
I believe You're more than enough for me
Jesus You're all I need
[Repeat Verse]
[Repeat Pre-Chorus}
[Chorus]
Bridge:
Nothing is impossible for You
Nothing is impossible for You
Nothing is impossible for You
You hold my world in Your hands
[Repeat]
[Chorus]
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og her er så sandheden om hans falske kræftsygdom. Ja, der var en sygdom med alvorlige konsekvenser og vel også livstruende, men det var en form for åndelig kræft. Læs blot med her.
du skal ”rulle” lidt ned på siden og læse hans ”statement” (forklaring / bekendelse). http://diaryofdanny.blogspot.com/2008/08/truth-behind-ps-michael-guglielmuccis.html
Så, konklusionen må være, at AnonymJv(2) påstand er falsk, at
”Nu fandt jeg ud af hvordan ”de der Hillsong”, Skrevet af Anonym Jv (2) - Kl 16:34, 5.maj.2010 får betaling. Det er altid en god ide at undersøge dine links nærmere.
Citat af AnonymJv(2) slut.
Sandheden er absolut og uforanderlig. Selv i denne sørgelige sag, findes Gud og Sandheden og alle Jesu ord bliver levende her midt i sølet.
Nu vil jeg så give dig chancen for både at tilgive, men også at opleve hvordan Jesus virker gennem syndige mennesker og at Sandheden skærer igennem både menneskers løgne og afsløre alt hvad der er usandt, selv på den ene det hele handler om.
Tænk blot på dette; ”denne ene” det er også dig og mig”. Hvem af os kan sige os fri? Igen, vil jeg mene og alligevel bruger Jesus os til at prædike det sande ord.
Her er så Michael http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_MQtokXCb4 og her er så én af de efterfølgende kommentarer:
Cathybug
After receiving a blessing and great promise, Abram lied and pursaded Sarai to lie.
Jacob was called a trickster.
David killed a man to cover up his sin.
Yet, through Abraham we are all blessed.
Jacob received a new name from God: Israel.
And of David, the Lord sais he is a man after His heart.
Who among us is without sin? Do we get this angry at the issues we have ourselves? No, instead we condemn, condemn and condemn some more. What happened to prayer and rebuke with love? 2 months ago
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Jeg bekender Jesus.
Kosmos.
Jeg tager mit udgangspunkt i dette indlæg hvor Lyjse citere AnonymJv(2) for at skrive følgende:
”Nu fandt jeg ud af hvordan ”de der Hillsong”, Skrevet af Anonym Jv (2) - Kl 16:34, 5.maj.2010 får betaling. Det er altid en god ide at undersøge dine links nærmere.
Citat af AnonymJv(2) slut. http://debat.sol.dk/show.fcgi?category=6&conference=217&posting=2020537#2020537
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Kommentar:
”Nu fandt jeg ud af hvordan ”de der Hillsong”, Skrevet af Anonym Jv (2) - Kl 16:34, 5.maj.2010 får betaling. Det er altid en god ide at undersøge dine links nærmere.
Citat af AnonymJv(2) slut.
”de der Hillsong”, får betaling? OK, hvordan får ”de der Hillsong” så betaling? Hm, hm, ja dette er stadig et åbent spørgsmål.
Nå, men jeg vil gerne kommentere den artikel som AnonymJv(2) henviser til: http://brianwurzell.wordpress.com/2008/08/20/hillsong-healerummmmmwhat/
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Den handler om Hr. Michael Guglielmucci, som er præst i denne Kirke; Australia’s biggest youth churches, ”Planetshakers”, may even have deceived his own family.
Ja, ved at bilde dem ind, at han var dødelig syg af kræft.
Guglielmucci, whose parents established Edge Church International, an Assemblies of God church at O’Halloran Hill in Adelaide’s southern suburbs, now is seeking professional help.
Han Michael Guglielmucci havde - August 21, 2008 12:57am – bildt tusinder ind, at han var kræftsyg og kæmpede med denne sygdom og til en sommer konference (2008);
---------------------------------
About a month ago I (BRIAN WURZELL :: BLOG ) started hearing word about this song called ‘Healer’ that was done at the ”Hillsong Conference in the Summer of 2008”.
eventually videos surfaced (and have now been removed) of a guy named Michael Guglielmucci and the one I saw was of him telling a story about how he wrote this song called Healer.
Many of us watched the video and were moved by the sincerity of his story and then you hear the song and it’s one of those WOAAAAHH this song is really powerful kind of songs. it’s one of those stories/songs that gets ya. you’ll have to check out the lyrics at some point.
------------------------------
Reaktionen fra den ”Australiske Kristne Kirke” var at suspendere Hr. Michael Guglielmucci og vil sanktionere dette.
The Australian Christian Church said Mr Guglielmucci’s credentials immediately were suspended once he told the national executive that his cancer claims were “untrue”.
“The national executive is taking this matter very seriously and is awaiting the results of medical tests before determining the full extent of the discipline that will be imposed upon him,” vice president Alun Davies said.
“We are very concerned for the many people who have been or will be hurt by Michael’s actions.
“We encourage all of our churches to pray for all those affected.”
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Én af reaktionerne fra en Kristen som kender til sagen:
Jason // August 21, 2008 at 12:32 am
Its a shame. The song is great and the conference/album recording very moving. But I do feel shocked, sickened, sad, and angry……”but ultimatley forgivness…”
Can we turn the other cheek to our own?? We need to. Forgive, learn, and move on…. Pity for everyone the the media will have a field day with it.
Michael and the greater spiritual community needs prayer. God knows I’m praying!!!
------------------------------------
Ashley // October 7, 2009 at 10:17 am
I guess when he wrote the song he thought it would be more powerful if he actually needed it himself.
Dunno why he would think to lie though. They never go far.
That’s one of the first lessons we learn as christians, yet, ”there is not a righteous man on earth, who does what is right and never sins”.
What matters are the people the song HAS been real for.
-------------------------------------------------
Ja, I kan selv læse de andre indsendte kommentarer på linket http://brianwurzell.wordpress.com/2008/08/20/hillsong-healerummmmmwhat/
------------------------------------------
Her er sangen han skrev:
Verse:
You hold my every moment
You calm my raging seas
You walk with me through fire
And heal all my disease
Pre-Chorus:
I trust in You
I trust in You
Chorus:
I believe You're my Healer
I believe You are all I need
I believe You're my Portion
I believe You're more than enough for me
Jesus You're all I need
[Repeat Verse]
[Repeat Pre-Chorus}
[Chorus]
Bridge:
Nothing is impossible for You
Nothing is impossible for You
Nothing is impossible for You
You hold my world in Your hands
[Repeat]
[Chorus]
--------------------------------
og her er så sandheden om hans falske kræftsygdom. Ja, der var en sygdom med alvorlige konsekvenser og vel også livstruende, men det var en form for åndelig kræft. Læs blot med her.
du skal ”rulle” lidt ned på siden og læse hans ”statement” (forklaring / bekendelse). http://diaryofdanny.blogspot.com/2008/08/truth-behind-ps-michael-guglielmuccis.html
Så, konklusionen må være, at AnonymJv(2) påstand er falsk, at
”Nu fandt jeg ud af hvordan ”de der Hillsong”, Skrevet af Anonym Jv (2) - Kl 16:34, 5.maj.2010 får betaling. Det er altid en god ide at undersøge dine links nærmere.
Citat af AnonymJv(2) slut.
Sandheden er absolut og uforanderlig. Selv i denne sørgelige sag, findes Gud og Sandheden og alle Jesu ord bliver levende her midt i sølet.
Nu vil jeg så give dig chancen for både at tilgive, men også at opleve hvordan Jesus virker gennem syndige mennesker og at Sandheden skærer igennem både menneskers løgne og afsløre alt hvad der er usandt, selv på den ene det hele handler om.
Tænk blot på dette; ”denne ene” det er også dig og mig”. Hvem af os kan sige os fri? Igen, vil jeg mene og alligevel bruger Jesus os til at prædike det sande ord.
Her er så Michael http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_MQtokXCb4 og her er så én af de efterfølgende kommentarer:
Cathybug
After receiving a blessing and great promise, Abram lied and pursaded Sarai to lie.
Jacob was called a trickster.
David killed a man to cover up his sin.
Yet, through Abraham we are all blessed.
Jacob received a new name from God: Israel.
And of David, the Lord sais he is a man after His heart.
Who among us is without sin? Do we get this angry at the issues we have ourselves? No, instead we condemn, condemn and condemn some more. What happened to prayer and rebuke with love? 2 months ago
--------------------------------------------
Jeg bekender Jesus.
Kosmos.