Pyramideguden ? Jehova?
Ærede debattører og gode borgere.
Jeg bliver nok nød til, at inddele dette kompendium i 2 afdelinger. Den ene afdeling tilskrives AnonnymJv(2) der stiller et underfundigt spørgsmål:
AnopnymJv(2) skriver,
”Har du (arres) som Jehovas vidne nogensinde været med til at tilbede en hedensk Ægyptisk pyramidegud. Det er enkelt. Du kan blot svare ja eller nej”.
Kommentar:
Har de eller har de ikke?
1) ”Har Jehovas Vidner nogen sinde tilbudt Gud Jehova, som værende konstruktøren af Pyramideologien / Dansk, Pyramideteologien?
Hvilket jo indebære, at den Gud der ”designede” Pyramiderne og ligeledes ”planen” ( Tidsalderens plan) altså både
tilskrives ”ophavsmanden” til Pyramiderne så vel som ”planen” ( Tidsalderens plan, hvilket er det der ligger i
Pyramideologi / Dansk, Puramideteologien).
Svar: Ja, det har de. Det har de virkelig.
Troede de på den Gud der både ”designede Pyramiderne og Planen (Tidsalderens plan)?
Ja, den Gud troede de på og gav ham navnet Jehova. Altså man tillagde ”den Gud der designede Pyramiderne og
Planen (Tidsalderens Plan) Jehova.
De ikke alene sagde det, men de skrev det også:
This belief in pyramids continued under the leadership of [J.F.] Rutherford as late as 1925. ( jeg citere)
"In the messages of the Great Pyramid of Gizeh the agreement of one or two measurements with the present-truth chronology might seem accidental, but the correspondency of dozens of measurements proves that the same God designed both pyramid and plan."
Citat fra Watchtower 1922 June 15 p.187
"In the great Pyramid of Egypt, standing as a silent and inanimate witness of the Lord, is a messenger; and its testimony speaks with great eloquence concerning the divine plan."
Citat fra Watchtower 1925 May 15 p.148
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Kommentar:
Grunden til jeg hver gang nævner den omtalte Pyramide for Giza Pyramiden er, at det er sådan den benævnes i bøgerne Tidsalderens Plan udgivet af Charles Taze Russell (undtagen bind 7, som angivelig bliver tilskrevet J.F.Rutherford).
Grunden til, at dondeee benævner omtalte Pyramide Keops har han sikkert en forklaring på.
Min tanke er, at når man omtaler sådan en lære, ”læren om Guden der designede både Giza Pyramiden såvel som Planen (Tidsalderens Plan)” skal man sandfærdigt benævne omtalte Pyramide, som den bliver omtalt og benævnet i Jehovas Vidners litteratur for ikke, at ”komme bort fra de ord Jehovas Vidner brugte da de promoverede læren om ”Guden der designede både Pyramiden i Giza, men også Planen (Tidsalderens Plan”).
Det er interessant, at arres svare AnonymJv(2) med et enkelt ”nej” til spørgsmålet om;
[”Har du (arres) som Jehovas vidne nogensinde været med til at tilbede en hedensk Ægyptisk pyramidegud. Det er enkelt. Du kan blot svare ja eller nej”.]
Svaret må derfor ændres til et Ja, men arres har altså ikke været klar over læren (Pyramideologien) og har ikke læst Jehovas Vidners litteratur fra tiden af.
Undertegnede svarede arres:
Ven af Sandheden: Hej arres,
Har du nogen sinde blevet præsenteret for læren om de 2520 år omregnet; fra Daniels Bog kap. 4 vis a boulevard, Hedningernes tiders afslutning 1914 (også betegnet Pyramideologi / Dansk, Pyramideteologien)?
Nu får vi så at se, hvad arres vil svare på det spørgsmål.
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Den Gud der blev præsenteret for Jehovas Vidner da den sekteriske religion blev formuleret er også den Gud der blev fastslået som ”Guden der bekræfter sine profetier ved hjælp af Stjernetegnene” trods det, at samme lære (Astrologi) forklares at være dæmonisk.
Her er hvad samme Gud, der tilskrives konstruktionen af Pyramiderne i Giza såvel som Planen (målene i Pyramiden / Pyramideologien, der ligeledes bekræfter Daniels bog kap. 4 ang. de 2520 dage / år.) anvender igennem Stjernes konstellationer til at bekræfte den kronologi i Bibelen som Jehovas Vidner jævnførte med Pyramiden i Giza; ”The constellations of the Zodiac were regarded in 1914 as of Divine origin with each of the 12 Zodiacal signs having corresponding statements in the Bible”.
Disse informationer kan du læse i Jehovas Vidners litteratur;
Zion's Watch Tower 1903 May 1 p.131
Zion's Watchtower 1905 October 1 p.293 -
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Russell was not only into Egyptology but also referred to Astrology for confirmation of his predictions.
"The above thoughts came to us as we recently read the predictions of some noted astrologers, whose information we credit to the spirit demons and not to ability to read destiny in the stars. One of these in particular closely touches dates and incidents on the line of our Scriptural expectations as follows:--
ASTROLOGICAL PREDICTIONS OF OUR TIME.
"In a dozen publications of this present springtime over all Europe astrologers agree that an extraordinary period is approaching. In the first place Saturn enters the sign of the Fishes in April, 1905, to remain there during 1906 and 1907. He will come out only in July, 1908. And these conjunctions, most rare in astrology, promise to be particularly hard on France.""
Citat fra Zion's Watchtower 1905 October 1 p.293
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The constellations of the Zodiac were regarded in 1914 as of Divine origin with each of the 12 Zodiacal signs having corresponding statements in the Bible.
"AN ASTROLOGER'S OUTLOOK.
We seriously question all the claims of astrology; yet the following… seem remarkably true to our expectations based upon the Word of the Lord…Saturn is the representative of the great motive power that has dominated the mind of man up to the present time. … Jupiter, representing law, religion and morality, has been perforce subservient to Saturn's greater and more potent force…When Uranus and Jupiter meet in the humane sign of Aquarius in 1914, the long-promised era will have made a fair start in the work of setting man free to work out his own salvation, and will insure the ultimate realization of dreams and ideals of all … In 1903 Jupiter will be in the Sign of Pisces-sign of the feet, or understanding, and the synthesis of the new religion is Love."
Citat fra Zion's Watch Tower 1903 May 1 p.131
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Det ser således ud til, at J.F.Rutherford, der kuppede sig til leder af sekten Jehovas Vidner (muligvis i sine ædruelige øjeblikke) i tidens løb frasagde disse udsagn fra Charles Taze Rutherford.
Han skrev:
In 1928 this teaching was discarded by Rutherford with the comment that ” ….. the pyramid is "Satan's Bible, and not God's stone witness."
Citat fra Watchtower 1928 November 15 p.344
Det spørgsmål melder sig: Was Rutherford implying that Russell was guided by Satan in coming up this teaching?
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På den anden side fortsatte han den der med Astrologiens mirakuløse predikt af Daniels Bog kap. 4 ang. 1914:
Rutherford continued with the teaching in the 1928 book Reconciliation, and said on page 14:
"The constellation of the seven stars forming the Pleides appears to be the crowning center around which the known systems of the planets revolve even as our sun's planets obey the sun and travel in their respective orbits.
It has been suggested, and with much weight, that one of the stars of that group is the dwelling-place of Jehovah and the place of the highest heavens; that it is the place to which the inspired writer referred when he said: "Hear thou from thy dwelling place, even from heaven" (2 Chron. 6:21); and that it is the place to which Job referred when under inspiration he wrote: "Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?"--Job 38:31.
The constellation of the Pleiades is a small one compared with others which scientific instruments disclose to the wondering eyes of man. But the greatness in size of other stars or planets is small when compared with the Pleiades in importance,
because the Pleiades is the place of the eternal throne of God."
Citat fra 1928 book Reconciliation, and said on page 14.
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Kommentar.
Vi skriver således 1928; 3 år efter, at Abraham, Isak og Jakob angivelig også blev forudsagt og profeteret skulle oprejses til liv her på planeten Jorden trods det, at de selv havde givet udtryk for, at de ”forventede en himmelsk bolig” for evigheden.
Men J.F.Rutherford lærte samtlige Jehovas Vidner dengang (og her kommer så den første ”dom over menneskeheden” ind i billedet) at disse ”troshelte” skulle bo i Beth Sarim og køre rundt i 16 cylinder gyldne Cadillac.
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/bethsarim.php
Forud for dette, i 1925, havde han holdt et foredrag: Millioner af nulevende mennesker skal aldrig dø”.
The Way to Paradise described 1925 are the year for "God's favour returning to the Jewish people", Jerusalem becoming capital of the world and "ancient worthies" being awakened. This book goes on to make the following outrageous predictions:
"The Bible and "The Bible in Stone" [the Pyramid of Giza] give the date 1914: for the beginning of the great change. History proves that the ouster proceedings began promptly on time. Prophecy indicates that 1925-1926 will see the greater part of the ousting completed. All the world's statesmen are dreading the next few years." p.171
"Seventy times 50 are 3,500. The whole period would therefore have been 3,500 years from the time the Jews entered Canaan until all the types would have been fulfilled. As they entered Canaan 1,575 years before Christ there would be 1,925 years of types after Christ, or 1925 A. D." p.223
Citat slut.
Nu gider jeg så ikke høre mere om hvad Jehovas Vidner tror og ikke tror. Disse artikler (citater fra artiklerne) taler deres klare og tydelige sprog. Jeg beskæftiger mig ikke (ikke lige nu) om hvad der er rigtigt eller forkert, men om hvad de sagde og skrev.
Her er så mit svar.
Venlig hilsen
Ven af Sandheden.
Jeg bliver nok nød til, at inddele dette kompendium i 2 afdelinger. Den ene afdeling tilskrives AnonnymJv(2) der stiller et underfundigt spørgsmål:
AnopnymJv(2) skriver,
”Har du (arres) som Jehovas vidne nogensinde været med til at tilbede en hedensk Ægyptisk pyramidegud. Det er enkelt. Du kan blot svare ja eller nej”.
Kommentar:
Har de eller har de ikke?
1) ”Har Jehovas Vidner nogen sinde tilbudt Gud Jehova, som værende konstruktøren af Pyramideologien / Dansk, Pyramideteologien?
Hvilket jo indebære, at den Gud der ”designede” Pyramiderne og ligeledes ”planen” ( Tidsalderens plan) altså både
tilskrives ”ophavsmanden” til Pyramiderne så vel som ”planen” ( Tidsalderens plan, hvilket er det der ligger i
Pyramideologi / Dansk, Puramideteologien).
Svar: Ja, det har de. Det har de virkelig.
Troede de på den Gud der både ”designede Pyramiderne og Planen (Tidsalderens plan)?
Ja, den Gud troede de på og gav ham navnet Jehova. Altså man tillagde ”den Gud der designede Pyramiderne og
Planen (Tidsalderens Plan) Jehova.
De ikke alene sagde det, men de skrev det også:
This belief in pyramids continued under the leadership of [J.F.] Rutherford as late as 1925. ( jeg citere)
"In the messages of the Great Pyramid of Gizeh the agreement of one or two measurements with the present-truth chronology might seem accidental, but the correspondency of dozens of measurements proves that the same God designed both pyramid and plan."
Citat fra Watchtower 1922 June 15 p.187
"In the great Pyramid of Egypt, standing as a silent and inanimate witness of the Lord, is a messenger; and its testimony speaks with great eloquence concerning the divine plan."
Citat fra Watchtower 1925 May 15 p.148
--------------------------------------------
Kommentar:
Grunden til jeg hver gang nævner den omtalte Pyramide for Giza Pyramiden er, at det er sådan den benævnes i bøgerne Tidsalderens Plan udgivet af Charles Taze Russell (undtagen bind 7, som angivelig bliver tilskrevet J.F.Rutherford).
Grunden til, at dondeee benævner omtalte Pyramide Keops har han sikkert en forklaring på.
Min tanke er, at når man omtaler sådan en lære, ”læren om Guden der designede både Giza Pyramiden såvel som Planen (Tidsalderens Plan)” skal man sandfærdigt benævne omtalte Pyramide, som den bliver omtalt og benævnet i Jehovas Vidners litteratur for ikke, at ”komme bort fra de ord Jehovas Vidner brugte da de promoverede læren om ”Guden der designede både Pyramiden i Giza, men også Planen (Tidsalderens Plan”).
Det er interessant, at arres svare AnonymJv(2) med et enkelt ”nej” til spørgsmålet om;
[”Har du (arres) som Jehovas vidne nogensinde været med til at tilbede en hedensk Ægyptisk pyramidegud. Det er enkelt. Du kan blot svare ja eller nej”.]
Svaret må derfor ændres til et Ja, men arres har altså ikke været klar over læren (Pyramideologien) og har ikke læst Jehovas Vidners litteratur fra tiden af.
Undertegnede svarede arres:
Ven af Sandheden: Hej arres,
Har du nogen sinde blevet præsenteret for læren om de 2520 år omregnet; fra Daniels Bog kap. 4 vis a boulevard, Hedningernes tiders afslutning 1914 (også betegnet Pyramideologi / Dansk, Pyramideteologien)?
Nu får vi så at se, hvad arres vil svare på det spørgsmål.
------------------------------------------------------------------
Den Gud der blev præsenteret for Jehovas Vidner da den sekteriske religion blev formuleret er også den Gud der blev fastslået som ”Guden der bekræfter sine profetier ved hjælp af Stjernetegnene” trods det, at samme lære (Astrologi) forklares at være dæmonisk.
Her er hvad samme Gud, der tilskrives konstruktionen af Pyramiderne i Giza såvel som Planen (målene i Pyramiden / Pyramideologien, der ligeledes bekræfter Daniels bog kap. 4 ang. de 2520 dage / år.) anvender igennem Stjernes konstellationer til at bekræfte den kronologi i Bibelen som Jehovas Vidner jævnførte med Pyramiden i Giza; ”The constellations of the Zodiac were regarded in 1914 as of Divine origin with each of the 12 Zodiacal signs having corresponding statements in the Bible”.
Disse informationer kan du læse i Jehovas Vidners litteratur;
Zion's Watch Tower 1903 May 1 p.131
Zion's Watchtower 1905 October 1 p.293 -
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Russell was not only into Egyptology but also referred to Astrology for confirmation of his predictions.
"The above thoughts came to us as we recently read the predictions of some noted astrologers, whose information we credit to the spirit demons and not to ability to read destiny in the stars. One of these in particular closely touches dates and incidents on the line of our Scriptural expectations as follows:--
ASTROLOGICAL PREDICTIONS OF OUR TIME.
"In a dozen publications of this present springtime over all Europe astrologers agree that an extraordinary period is approaching. In the first place Saturn enters the sign of the Fishes in April, 1905, to remain there during 1906 and 1907. He will come out only in July, 1908. And these conjunctions, most rare in astrology, promise to be particularly hard on France.""
Citat fra Zion's Watchtower 1905 October 1 p.293
------------------------
The constellations of the Zodiac were regarded in 1914 as of Divine origin with each of the 12 Zodiacal signs having corresponding statements in the Bible.
"AN ASTROLOGER'S OUTLOOK.
We seriously question all the claims of astrology; yet the following… seem remarkably true to our expectations based upon the Word of the Lord…Saturn is the representative of the great motive power that has dominated the mind of man up to the present time. … Jupiter, representing law, religion and morality, has been perforce subservient to Saturn's greater and more potent force…When Uranus and Jupiter meet in the humane sign of Aquarius in 1914, the long-promised era will have made a fair start in the work of setting man free to work out his own salvation, and will insure the ultimate realization of dreams and ideals of all … In 1903 Jupiter will be in the Sign of Pisces-sign of the feet, or understanding, and the synthesis of the new religion is Love."
Citat fra Zion's Watch Tower 1903 May 1 p.131
-------------------------------------
Det ser således ud til, at J.F.Rutherford, der kuppede sig til leder af sekten Jehovas Vidner (muligvis i sine ædruelige øjeblikke) i tidens løb frasagde disse udsagn fra Charles Taze Rutherford.
Han skrev:
In 1928 this teaching was discarded by Rutherford with the comment that ” ….. the pyramid is "Satan's Bible, and not God's stone witness."
Citat fra Watchtower 1928 November 15 p.344
Det spørgsmål melder sig: Was Rutherford implying that Russell was guided by Satan in coming up this teaching?
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
På den anden side fortsatte han den der med Astrologiens mirakuløse predikt af Daniels Bog kap. 4 ang. 1914:
Rutherford continued with the teaching in the 1928 book Reconciliation, and said on page 14:
"The constellation of the seven stars forming the Pleides appears to be the crowning center around which the known systems of the planets revolve even as our sun's planets obey the sun and travel in their respective orbits.
It has been suggested, and with much weight, that one of the stars of that group is the dwelling-place of Jehovah and the place of the highest heavens; that it is the place to which the inspired writer referred when he said: "Hear thou from thy dwelling place, even from heaven" (2 Chron. 6:21); and that it is the place to which Job referred when under inspiration he wrote: "Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?"--Job 38:31.
The constellation of the Pleiades is a small one compared with others which scientific instruments disclose to the wondering eyes of man. But the greatness in size of other stars or planets is small when compared with the Pleiades in importance,
because the Pleiades is the place of the eternal throne of God."
Citat fra 1928 book Reconciliation, and said on page 14.
-----------------------------------------------
Kommentar.
Vi skriver således 1928; 3 år efter, at Abraham, Isak og Jakob angivelig også blev forudsagt og profeteret skulle oprejses til liv her på planeten Jorden trods det, at de selv havde givet udtryk for, at de ”forventede en himmelsk bolig” for evigheden.
Men J.F.Rutherford lærte samtlige Jehovas Vidner dengang (og her kommer så den første ”dom over menneskeheden” ind i billedet) at disse ”troshelte” skulle bo i Beth Sarim og køre rundt i 16 cylinder gyldne Cadillac.
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/bethsarim.php
Forud for dette, i 1925, havde han holdt et foredrag: Millioner af nulevende mennesker skal aldrig dø”.
The Way to Paradise described 1925 are the year for "God's favour returning to the Jewish people", Jerusalem becoming capital of the world and "ancient worthies" being awakened. This book goes on to make the following outrageous predictions:
"The Bible and "The Bible in Stone" [the Pyramid of Giza] give the date 1914: for the beginning of the great change. History proves that the ouster proceedings began promptly on time. Prophecy indicates that 1925-1926 will see the greater part of the ousting completed. All the world's statesmen are dreading the next few years." p.171
"Seventy times 50 are 3,500. The whole period would therefore have been 3,500 years from the time the Jews entered Canaan until all the types would have been fulfilled. As they entered Canaan 1,575 years before Christ there would be 1,925 years of types after Christ, or 1925 A. D." p.223
Citat slut.
Nu gider jeg så ikke høre mere om hvad Jehovas Vidner tror og ikke tror. Disse artikler (citater fra artiklerne) taler deres klare og tydelige sprog. Jeg beskæftiger mig ikke (ikke lige nu) om hvad der er rigtigt eller forkert, men om hvad de sagde og skrev.
Her er så mit svar.
Venlig hilsen
Ven af Sandheden.